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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 02:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant wait to read this book, I have it on order still.

At this time I cannot believe that a vegan diet made her so sick. But like others have said there are vegan diets and there are vegan diets. I have been a vegan for the most part of 20 years. I believe that a little good meat is healthy during the winter. Eat with the seasons. And meat doesnt mean feedlot junk either, that isnt even food.

As for soy, I believe in miso as a very healthy food, other than that I cant think of a reason to eat more soy. Maybe all the soy she ate was genetically modified soy (GMO). That would certainly make someone sick.
.-= Sam´s last blog post ...&lt;a href=&quot;http://healthyfoodandlife.blogspot.com/2009/09/boost-your-immune-system-and-fight.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Boost Your Immune System and Fight Disease&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cant wait to read this book, I have it on order still.</p>
<p>At this time I cannot believe that a vegan diet made her so sick. But like others have said there are vegan diets and there are vegan diets. I have been a vegan for the most part of 20 years. I believe that a little good meat is healthy during the winter. Eat with the seasons. And meat doesnt mean feedlot junk either, that isnt even food.</p>
<p>As for soy, I believe in miso as a very healthy food, other than that I cant think of a reason to eat more soy. Maybe all the soy she ate was genetically modified soy (GMO). That would certainly make someone sick.<br />
.-= Sam´s last blog post &#8230;<a href="http://healthyfoodandlife.blogspot.com/2009/09/boost-your-immune-system-and-fight.html" rel="nofollow">Boost Your Immune System and Fight Disease</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: davepeckens</title>
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		<dc:creator>davepeckens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 23:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@gen224 Check out this post &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/EfcnH&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/EfcnH&lt;/a&gt; from the @FoodRenegade for that podcast.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gen224 Check out this post <a href="http://bit.ly/EfcnH" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/EfcnH</a> from the @FoodRenegade for that podcast.</p>
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		<title>By: minusfive</title>
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		<dc:creator>minusfive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, And Sustainability &lt;a href=&quot;http://ff.im/-7t2c6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ff.im/-7t2c6&lt;/a&gt; (via @Zacharycohen)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: stickifingers</title>
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		<dc:creator>stickifingers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 07:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Curious RT @Zacharycohen: The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, And Sustainability &lt;a href=&quot;http://ff.im/-7t2c6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ff.im/-7t2c6&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: KristenM</title>
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		<dc:creator>KristenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny -- I&#039;m glad you&#039;ll be reading the book. I know I can&#039;t wait to. As for the China Study, I have read it. But to those with a more scientific bent (like me), it was full of holes. I don&#039;t want to write a post on it in my comments as there&#039;s a lot already online about it. One really helpful resource is the online debate posted between the China Study&#039;s author and Chris Masterjohn along with Masterjohn&#039;s review of the book:

http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Campbell-Masterjohn.html

As an Orthodox Christian, I am a conscientious vegan for roughly 40% of the year. All our fasting seasons require us to eat a vegan diet. So, I have a lot of experience trying to feed myself healthily on a vegan diet for extensive periods of time (and I think I do an okay job at it, too). That said, even with my Real Food nutrition background and the help of B-12 and iron supplements, I still find that on a vegan diet I&#039;m mildly anemic, easily aggravated, and that I slip easily into depression if I&#039;m not careful. Different people have different metabolic types, and mine does not agree with even the most carefully planned and nutrient dense vegan diet I can muster.

Furthermore, I really feel that we have to ask WHY in the entire history of the human race there has never been ONE documented vegan society. Even societies that are mostly vegan most of the year will put their women (and sometimes men) on fertility diets rich in animal fats, organ meats, and seafood in order to help them get pregnant, carry a healthy baby to term, and nurse that baby for a year or two. We have to ask ourselves WHY, and we have to prepared to deal with the answers when they come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny &#8212; I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ll be reading the book. I know I can&#8217;t wait to. As for the China Study, I have read it. But to those with a more scientific bent (like me), it was full of holes. I don&#8217;t want to write a post on it in my comments as there&#8217;s a lot already online about it. One really helpful resource is the online debate posted between the China Study&#8217;s author and Chris Masterjohn along with Masterjohn&#8217;s review of the book:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/chinastudy.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Campbell-Masterjohn.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Campbell-Masterjohn.html</a></p>
<p>As an Orthodox Christian, I am a conscientious vegan for roughly 40% of the year. All our fasting seasons require us to eat a vegan diet. So, I have a lot of experience trying to feed myself healthily on a vegan diet for extensive periods of time (and I think I do an okay job at it, too). That said, even with my Real Food nutrition background and the help of B-12 and iron supplements, I still find that on a vegan diet I&#8217;m mildly anemic, easily aggravated, and that I slip easily into depression if I&#8217;m not careful. Different people have different metabolic types, and mine does not agree with even the most carefully planned and nutrient dense vegan diet I can muster.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I really feel that we have to ask WHY in the entire history of the human race there has never been ONE documented vegan society. Even societies that are mostly vegan most of the year will put their women (and sometimes men) on fertility diets rich in animal fats, organ meats, and seafood in order to help them get pregnant, carry a healthy baby to term, and nurse that baby for a year or two. We have to ask ourselves WHY, and we have to prepared to deal with the answers when they come.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will disclose that I have NOT read the book so please realize this. I&#039;d just like to say that I think it is already discrediting to know that this woman ate a high soy diet as a vegan. I do not believe that diet is healthy at ALL and therefore, it is not her vegan diet that was unhealthy, it was the fact she was doing it wrong. It also troubles me the way she seemed to almost chain herself to this diet/lifestyle. It doesn&#039;t appear that she did any serious research about being vegan, which is why she was deteriorating. If you are going to force yourself to eat a certain way and then resent it, there is something wrong there. Like someone else said, the term &quot;vegan&quot; is so general and really discredits how incredibly healthy AND sustainable a properly based vegan diet is. I really think that if people approach a vegan diet solely because of ethics, they are asking for health problems. I think that people that eat a high animal protein based diet are also asking for health problems. I ALSO think people that eat a diet with any form of processed soy are asking for health problems. So can&#039;t it be that it wasn&#039;t because she wasn&#039;t eating meat, but because she was poisoning her body with processed soy? It drives me crazy that vegans binge on sugar, wheat, and processed meat/dairy substitutes all in the name of how high and mighty they are for being vegan. I&#039;m sorry if that sounds a little hostile, but it really discredits a true healthy lifestyle that people THRIVE on.

You can&#039;t judge a proper vegan diet if you haven&#039;t tried it. Kristen - I don&#039;t think it is fair for you to say &quot;It really is true that our bodies can not be sustained for very long on a strictly vegan diet.&quot; That is a very poor statement that has no scientific proof. The fact that there are no vegan societies does not correlate with that idea. Just because we CAN eat something does not mean it is good for us. Not to mention 1) societies thousands of years ago did not eat NEARLY as much meat as we do. 2) Meat today does not even resemble what it was thousands of years ago. I don&#039;t care if you are buying free-range or whatever helps you sleep at night. It is still a form of mass production to accommodate this country&#039;s infatuation with meat and dairy.

It doesn&#039;t escape me that we are very fortunate to be living in a day in age where we can scrutinize nutrition, study it, and have the option of where we buy our food. But I have to ask you, have you read the China Study? Doesn&#039;t that have any effect on your desire to consume animal protein?

PS: Please do not take any of this to be hostile, it is not my intent. I am biased obviously because I don&#039;t see any health benefits to meat and dairy, and can&#039;t grapple with the way animals are exploited today, regardless if they are raised &quot;sustainably&quot; or not. I always enjoy reading the other side, but my main point of this is to say that right off the bat, I&#039;m already put off by this woman&#039;s history of being vegan because she really doesn&#039;t seem to know much about health in the first place. However, I do plan on reading the book just to see what she has to say and see if my first impression is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will disclose that I have NOT read the book so please realize this. I&#8217;d just like to say that I think it is already discrediting to know that this woman ate a high soy diet as a vegan. I do not believe that diet is healthy at ALL and therefore, it is not her vegan diet that was unhealthy, it was the fact she was doing it wrong. It also troubles me the way she seemed to almost chain herself to this diet/lifestyle. It doesn&#8217;t appear that she did any serious research about being vegan, which is why she was deteriorating. If you are going to force yourself to eat a certain way and then resent it, there is something wrong there. Like someone else said, the term &#8220;vegan&#8221; is so general and really discredits how incredibly healthy AND sustainable a properly based vegan diet is. I really think that if people approach a vegan diet solely because of ethics, they are asking for health problems. I think that people that eat a high animal protein based diet are also asking for health problems. I ALSO think people that eat a diet with any form of processed soy are asking for health problems. So can&#8217;t it be that it wasn&#8217;t because she wasn&#8217;t eating meat, but because she was poisoning her body with processed soy? It drives me crazy that vegans binge on sugar, wheat, and processed meat/dairy substitutes all in the name of how high and mighty they are for being vegan. I&#8217;m sorry if that sounds a little hostile, but it really discredits a true healthy lifestyle that people THRIVE on.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t judge a proper vegan diet if you haven&#8217;t tried it. Kristen &#8211; I don&#8217;t think it is fair for you to say &#8220;It really is true that our bodies can not be sustained for very long on a strictly vegan diet.&#8221; That is a very poor statement that has no scientific proof. The fact that there are no vegan societies does not correlate with that idea. Just because we CAN eat something does not mean it is good for us. Not to mention 1) societies thousands of years ago did not eat NEARLY as much meat as we do. 2) Meat today does not even resemble what it was thousands of years ago. I don&#8217;t care if you are buying free-range or whatever helps you sleep at night. It is still a form of mass production to accommodate this country&#8217;s infatuation with meat and dairy.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t escape me that we are very fortunate to be living in a day in age where we can scrutinize nutrition, study it, and have the option of where we buy our food. But I have to ask you, have you read the China Study? Doesn&#8217;t that have any effect on your desire to consume animal protein?</p>
<p>PS: Please do not take any of this to be hostile, it is not my intent. I am biased obviously because I don&#8217;t see any health benefits to meat and dairy, and can&#8217;t grapple with the way animals are exploited today, regardless if they are raised &#8220;sustainably&#8221; or not. I always enjoy reading the other side, but my main point of this is to say that right off the bat, I&#8217;m already put off by this woman&#8217;s history of being vegan because she really doesn&#8217;t seem to know much about health in the first place. However, I do plan on reading the book just to see what she has to say and see if my first impression is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: KristenM</title>
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		<dc:creator>KristenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Felicity -- Before you pass judgment, why not read the book? Or at least listen to her interview. Clearly, this is a woman who spent twenty years(!) as a confirmed vegan. It wasn&#039;t just a fad for her. It was her LIFE, and breaking away from veganism was a long and arduous journey for her. To call her experiences rubbish totally lacks compassion. Furthermore, it demonstrates your unwillingness to even engage in the conversation and LISTEN to another human being. As for an agenda -- OF COURSE she has one. As do you. Please try to be fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Felicity &#8212; Before you pass judgment, why not read the book? Or at least listen to her interview. Clearly, this is a woman who spent twenty years(!) as a confirmed vegan. It wasn&#8217;t just a fad for her. It was her LIFE, and breaking away from veganism was a long and arduous journey for her. To call her experiences rubbish totally lacks compassion. Furthermore, it demonstrates your unwillingness to even engage in the conversation and LISTEN to another human being. As for an agenda &#8212; OF COURSE she has one. As do you. Please try to be fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicity Brach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicity Brach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 02:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a load of rubbish! To think vegans and vegetarians are going to believe this nonsense. I don&#039;t think so!!! Some one has an agenda, oh yes, indeed. My husband and I are extremely healthly on a vegan diet, and run rings around all the rest that eat animals. Please, check out, Physician&#039;s Committee for Responsible Medicine, on the benefits of a vegan diet. www.PCRM.org. They are great!
Thank you,
                        Felicity Brach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of rubbish! To think vegans and vegetarians are going to believe this nonsense. I don&#8217;t think so!!! Some one has an agenda, oh yes, indeed. My husband and I are extremely healthly on a vegan diet, and run rings around all the rest that eat animals. Please, check out, Physician&#8217;s Committee for Responsible Medicine, on the benefits of a vegan diet. <a href="http://www.PCRM.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.PCRM.org</a>. They are great!<br />
Thank you,<br />
                        Felicity Brach</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Jeffries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Jeffries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to see this because it helps to discredit the myths of veganism. Veganism is fine for people to choose as a personal choice but it is not sustainable. Veganism requires shipping vegetables in from long distances much of the year in much of the world or resorting to supplements which are again shipped in. Ironically, a vegan diet means large scale raising of veggies which means tremendous animal deaths in the tilling, weed and pest control and harvesting of said veggies. Meat is an excellent way to store sunshine for the winter and we&#039;re well evolved to use it. Veganism rejects nature. We are part of the natural system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to see this because it helps to discredit the myths of veganism. Veganism is fine for people to choose as a personal choice but it is not sustainable. Veganism requires shipping vegetables in from long distances much of the year in much of the world or resorting to supplements which are again shipped in. Ironically, a vegan diet means large scale raising of veggies which means tremendous animal deaths in the tilling, weed and pest control and harvesting of said veggies. Meat is an excellent way to store sunshine for the winter and we&#8217;re well evolved to use it. Veganism rejects nature. We are part of the natural system.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will have to check this book out, I have often thought about becoming vegetarian.  Im a little afraid of what she might say about soy though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will have to check this book out, I have often thought about becoming vegetarian.  Im a little afraid of what she might say about soy though.</p>
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