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		<title>By: Mark Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.foodrenegade.com/life-threatening-retaliation-in-soy-prison-lawsuit/#comment-8433</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well admittedly, I prefer my protein from a sustainable beef, pork or poultry source, and my soy in bio diesel, but I was totally unaware of the issue.

Like most of the general public, I&#039;m still puzzled with all of the controversy. 

Even from research, I will most likely get a highly biased response from the industry, health care professionals, and others.

As an example, from a quick Google on the &quot;Benefits of Soy Protein&quot; , there were  210,000 hits showing some form of the pro soy movement, conversely, there were 13,500 hits when I Googled &quot;Dangers of Soy Protein&quot;.

Granted this is not a scientific measure, but it is measure that shows why the public cannot reach a similar conclusion on the soy argument, when they in turn research the pros and cons of soy.

Regardless, when a prisoner is incarcerated for his or her crimes, there are varying degrees why that person is there, some heinous, some because the prisoner could not afford a defense, much less a good defense with a court appointed attorney, and took a plea. 

None the less, as stated in the article, I agree with the point “I do believe these prisoners have basic human rights — including the right to legally complain in order to address grievances. Even if you believe that their lawsuit is totally unjustified or silly, you must admit they have the right to file the lawsuit.&quot;

One point not mentioned in the article, the staff is most likely being fed the same meals, I wonder if their voices would carry in more weight?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well admittedly, I prefer my protein from a sustainable beef, pork or poultry source, and my soy in bio diesel, but I was totally unaware of the issue.</p>
<p>Like most of the general public, I&#8217;m still puzzled with all of the controversy. </p>
<p>Even from research, I will most likely get a highly biased response from the industry, health care professionals, and others.</p>
<p>As an example, from a quick Google on the &#8220;Benefits of Soy Protein&#8221; , there were  210,000 hits showing some form of the pro soy movement, conversely, there were 13,500 hits when I Googled &#8220;Dangers of Soy Protein&#8221;.</p>
<p>Granted this is not a scientific measure, but it is measure that shows why the public cannot reach a similar conclusion on the soy argument, when they in turn research the pros and cons of soy.</p>
<p>Regardless, when a prisoner is incarcerated for his or her crimes, there are varying degrees why that person is there, some heinous, some because the prisoner could not afford a defense, much less a good defense with a court appointed attorney, and took a plea. </p>
<p>None the less, as stated in the article, I agree with the point “I do believe these prisoners have basic human rights — including the right to legally complain in order to address grievances. Even if you believe that their lawsuit is totally unjustified or silly, you must admit they have the right to file the lawsuit.&#8221;</p>
<p>One point not mentioned in the article, the staff is most likely being fed the same meals, I wonder if their voices would carry in more weight?<br />
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		<title>By: Zozo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. John,

It appears to me you assume all those who become incarcerated are horrific people when in fact you are incorrect. There are so many vaguely written laws today that people are getting caught up in them or just plain ole poor laws that do nothing to protect society. 

Further, those incarcerated do those their freedom but they do not lose their human rights or their right to petition for those rights to be upheld which the SCOTUS has upheld, which is the premise of this article. 

I hope you nor anyone you love get caught up in one of the vague laws today that will cost them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. John,</p>
<p>It appears to me you assume all those who become incarcerated are horrific people when in fact you are incorrect. There are so many vaguely written laws today that people are getting caught up in them or just plain ole poor laws that do nothing to protect society. </p>
<p>Further, those incarcerated do those their freedom but they do not lose their human rights or their right to petition for those rights to be upheld which the SCOTUS has upheld, which is the premise of this article. </p>
<p>I hope you nor anyone you love get caught up in one of the vague laws today that will cost them.</p>
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		<title>By: dr john</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when you do the crime, you must do the time
nutrition, or lack there of in prison, is one of the freedoms you loose when incarcerated
do not commit crimes and you won&#039;t have to worry about what is fed to you in prison

too bad....eat your soy....you should not have committed the crime in the first place</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when you do the crime, you must do the time<br />
nutrition, or lack there of in prison, is one of the freedoms you loose when incarcerated<br />
do not commit crimes and you won&#8217;t have to worry about what is fed to you in prison</p>
<p>too bad&#8230;.eat your soy&#8230;.you should not have committed the crime in the first place</p>
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		<title>By: Mary P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Thanks for continuing the conversation about the use of soy in institutional food programs.  I used to work in a senior meals program in MI and in OH (meals on wheels) and the two programs could not have been more different.  In MI all the food was cooked on site and the quality was very high for average American dietary standards..... but in OH that was another story altogether.  The meals were all prepared off-site by a contracted bulk meals distributor, they were of much lower quality and (surprise, surprise) most of the &#039;meat&#039; was actually soy protein (TVP).  We had many seniors complain about problems they were having with the meals - mostly digestive problems and one woman was actually allergic to soy and couldn&#039;t eat them at all without making her sick.  So it&#039;s not that the prison dietary programs are alone - soy is already in other institutionalized food programs, it&#039;s already in school meals, hospitals, senior centers, day cares, etc.  The meal budgets for these institutions are pushed lower and lower and therefore soy and other adulterated &#039;cheap&#039; foods are getting more and more utilized....... I am hoping that this case will receive the attention it deserves and point out the problems that ensue when we don&#039;t demand good quality food.  Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Thanks for continuing the conversation about the use of soy in institutional food programs.  I used to work in a senior meals program in MI and in OH (meals on wheels) and the two programs could not have been more different.  In MI all the food was cooked on site and the quality was very high for average American dietary standards&#8230;.. but in OH that was another story altogether.  The meals were all prepared off-site by a contracted bulk meals distributor, they were of much lower quality and (surprise, surprise) most of the &#8216;meat&#8217; was actually soy protein (TVP).  We had many seniors complain about problems they were having with the meals &#8211; mostly digestive problems and one woman was actually allergic to soy and couldn&#8217;t eat them at all without making her sick.  So it&#8217;s not that the prison dietary programs are alone &#8211; soy is already in other institutionalized food programs, it&#8217;s already in school meals, hospitals, senior centers, day cares, etc.  The meal budgets for these institutions are pushed lower and lower and therefore soy and other adulterated &#8216;cheap&#8217; foods are getting more and more utilized&#8230;&#8230;. I am hoping that this case will receive the attention it deserves and point out the problems that ensue when we don&#8217;t demand good quality food.  Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: KristenM</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, and if they&#039;re really concerned about cost, they could do what Weston A Price did with his orphans. They ate CHEAP meals every day consisting of soaked oats, nutrient-dense bone broths, an egg or two, plus butter and cod liver oil. Bone broths ensured they got all the calcium &amp; other minerals their bodies needed, eggs ensured they got enough cholesterol, soaked oats contributed vitamins, fats, carbs, and protein, and high-vitamin butter oil and cod liver oil ensure they got enough Vitamins A, D, K-12, omega-3s, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, and if they&#8217;re really concerned about cost, they could do what Weston A Price did with his orphans. They ate CHEAP meals every day consisting of soaked oats, nutrient-dense bone broths, an egg or two, plus butter and cod liver oil. Bone broths ensured they got all the calcium &#038; other minerals their bodies needed, eggs ensured they got enough cholesterol, soaked oats contributed vitamins, fats, carbs, and protein, and high-vitamin butter oil and cod liver oil ensure they got enough Vitamins A, D, K-12, omega-3s, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine @ Healthy Fit Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine @ Healthy Fit Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fake Soy products contain large amounts of MSG. The fake meat that I used to eat contained *SIX* msg ingredients. This definitely effects the brain ie. Brain Cell death. When these prisoners get out they will have psychiatric problems.

I understand that they probably did not have stellar organic nutrient dense diets before they arrived but large amounts of Soy/MSG fed on a daily basis is not going to produce a healthy mind.

Outrageous.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fake Soy products contain large amounts of MSG. The fake meat that I used to eat contained *SIX* msg ingredients. This definitely effects the brain ie. Brain Cell death. When these prisoners get out they will have psychiatric problems.</p>
<p>I understand that they probably did not have stellar organic nutrient dense diets before they arrived but large amounts of Soy/MSG fed on a daily basis is not going to produce a healthy mind.</p>
<p>Outrageous.<br />
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		<title>By: KristenM</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another great reason to help support this effort. Can you imagine what would happen if we started feeding this diet to our children?

I remember the days when I was a kid and my parents scoffed at how soy was showing up in burgers, hot dogs, etc. as a sort of cheap &quot;filler&quot; that brought down the price.  My parents were appalled, and could only say negative things about the fake food. 

Now that marketers have successfully spun soy as a &quot;health-food&quot; rather than a cheap, industrialized fake-food, many people welcome its presence. I know someone who just last week bragged about how she made a chili with TVP and NO meat that fooled her husband. She was so proud that she got this &quot;healthy&quot; food into him without his even knowing it!!! Can you believe it? Marketers have done an amazing job. Truly amazing.

It&#039;ll be good if soy can finally start getting some bad press again -- particularly press that affects it&#039;s &quot;health food&quot; claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another great reason to help support this effort. Can you imagine what would happen if we started feeding this diet to our children?</p>
<p>I remember the days when I was a kid and my parents scoffed at how soy was showing up in burgers, hot dogs, etc. as a sort of cheap &#8220;filler&#8221; that brought down the price.  My parents were appalled, and could only say negative things about the fake food. </p>
<p>Now that marketers have successfully spun soy as a &#8220;health-food&#8221; rather than a cheap, industrialized fake-food, many people welcome its presence. I know someone who just last week bragged about how she made a chili with TVP and NO meat that fooled her husband. She was so proud that she got this &#8220;healthy&#8221; food into him without his even knowing it!!! Can you believe it? Marketers have done an amazing job. Truly amazing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be good if soy can finally start getting some bad press again &#8212; particularly press that affects it&#8217;s &#8220;health food&#8221; claim.</p>
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		<title>By: KristenM</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great point, Vin, and one I honestly hadn&#039;t even considered. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great point, Vin, and one I honestly hadn&#8217;t even considered. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Zozo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for writing this. I have a friend who is incarcerated who within three months of being in the prison system thyroid (TSA) blood levels plummeted and now needs constant monitoring because they are borderline hypothyroidism. I also recently informed them I believed they were consuming large amounts of soy in their food. 

The sad part of this as one poster indicated is the general public will not care because they see only their criminal behavior and nothing more, forgetting those prisoners still have family and friends who care and love them, not their poor choices, but them as a beloved.

Thank you so much for writing this. It is nice to know people do care because often times family and friends of prisoners encounter guilty by association.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this. I have a friend who is incarcerated who within three months of being in the prison system thyroid (TSA) blood levels plummeted and now needs constant monitoring because they are borderline hypothyroidism. I also recently informed them I believed they were consuming large amounts of soy in their food. </p>
<p>The sad part of this as one poster indicated is the general public will not care because they see only their criminal behavior and nothing more, forgetting those prisoners still have family and friends who care and love them, not their poor choices, but them as a beloved.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for writing this. It is nice to know people do care because often times family and friends of prisoners encounter guilty by association.</p>
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		<title>By: Vin - NaturalBias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vin - NaturalBias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Kristen. I&#039;m not very sympathetic towards prisoners, but they at least deserve good basic nutrition. After all, we all know that nutrition has a significant influence on the mind. If the government truly wants a prison system that encourages reformed behavior, this is an issue that they certainly shouldn&#039;t be neglecting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Kristen. I&#8217;m not very sympathetic towards prisoners, but they at least deserve good basic nutrition. After all, we all know that nutrition has a significant influence on the mind. If the government truly wants a prison system that encourages reformed behavior, this is an issue that they certainly shouldn&#8217;t be neglecting.<br />
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